My Views on Deanism at Present

About a year ago due to my disenchantment with the direction in which the Deanic movement was going at that time, I declared my own separation from the movement. Since that time from the few persons I still had contact with within the movement, I found out that some of the most egregious directions which had been announced at the time l left had been rescinded. But still I felt no real need to re-associate from the religion. My alienation from the religion ( some of it justified and some of it my own fault) which had built up for a period of time was too strong.

During the past year I instead decided to study other religious traditions such as Shakti Hinduism, the Nag Hammadi Gnostic texts, and certain aspects of the Abrahamic faiths to see what they could offer me in replacement of the Deanic faith. I also studied them so that certain questions evoked by my involvement within Deanism could be answered authoritatively by answers provided by those faiths. One such question was how should the nature of matter be viewed? Is it the creation of an evil Demiurge as the old Gnostics believed? Was it a fall from the beatitude of Dea as the Madrians proclaimed? Was it to be viewed as the direct opposite to the spiritual principle or was it to be viewed as positively related to it? As a result of these studies I concluded that within religions such as Hinduism many differing answers are given which very often conflict with each other. And of course while I have learned to appreciate Gnosticism more, I still can not buy into the idea that the creation of the beauties of matter, space, time, and biological life is the work of an ignorant demiurge or that it is a kind of falling away from Dea. And again while all of these religions have things to say about reality which are quite probably true and valuable, all of them are patriarchal religions in which God is fundamentally viewed in most cases as masculine in nature or as male-like. I just can not relate to this.

Another thing must be noted. During the past year I absolutely refused to visit the main sites of Deanic activity in order to regain some peace of mind and I did did not read the Deanic Scriptures. However It was never my plan that I would never read them again. It was just that I could not bring myself to do so. About a month ago the situation changed. First I ran into a newer member of the Deanic community with whom I was pleased to make contact. Secondarily I started to read the Deanic scriptures again. In reading them I wondered whether they would hold the same fascination and amazement at their incredible intelligence and beauty which I experienced when I first read them probably in 2012. The amazement is still there and this confirms my earlier view that these writings are profoundly significant. Perhaps in the distant future they will be seen as as important to the West as the Devi Mahatmya became in India about 1400 years ago.

Now none of this means that I do not have problems with certain aspects of the Scriptures. Neither do I buy into those interpretations of the Scriptures which I see as potentially harmful. However on the whole I see the scriptures as being the grace of Dea and I believe that much good can be potentially found even in the most problematic aspects of them if interpreted with wisdom.

This for me means that I do not buy in to some of the ways in which they are commonly interpreted now. Thus I do not buy into the matriarchal, anti-male world view of earlier Madrianism nor to that of current day Feminine Essentialism. Thus I do not buy into the metaphysics that identify Female, Feminine, Spirit, as Dea whereas everything that is male, the masculine, matter, and the snake are seen as opposing Dea. Neither do I buy into Traditionalism’s support of the principles of social hierarchy, class and caste privilege, and inequality as be some sort of ideal. I do not reject the principles of human equality, justice, science, and at least some democracy which Rene Guenon so demonized. I believe instead that the Deanic scriptures can be instead be interpreted in ways that are in common to the best interpretation of most of the major religious traditions

So how do I define myself religiously now. What I see now is that in spite of my differences with many within the Deanic religious community, I still hold more in common with Deanism than I do with any of the other established religions. Thus I am still a Deanic if a very independent one. As to what adjective should be added to my own evolving understanding of Deanism, well I have some ideas but I will leave that to another post



A Short Status Update

During the last couple of months, I have attempted to reinitiate my writings here. Unfortunately each of the writings attempted seemed in too many ways to be a continuation of my past writing habits. The posts were too much in the vein of detailed explanations of where I am now, what I am doing, thought concerning my current relationship with De’anism, etc, etc. In other words the writings were a continuation in too many ways of what I have done before, writings without power or any motivating influence. I no longer want to wast my own time or that of others with that stuff.

So what do I plan to do now? I believe that what I have to do is to write articles on the subjects that motivate me now within my immediate context without the need to explain that much about where I have been in the past. They certainly should not contain detailed summaries regarding my past relationship with the De’anism with which I have been overly focused during the past five years. Now I understand that I can not completely ignore my relationship with De’anism or any of the other religions or ideologies which have helped shape my life nor do I wish to do.

Over the years I have been influenced by a multiple of world views from sources as varied as Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and yes De’anism. I still study aspects of the life and theologies of these religions because I do believe that they often contain truth claims that are of importance to my own personal religious life. Thus over the the past few months I have been attempting to understand better the Hindu Shakta / Goddess tradition, particularly in its concepts of
Prakriti, (Primordial Matter), Maya (Creative Power or Delusion in relationship) and Shakti (The Power to Create) in their relationship with the Mahadevi (the Great Goddess of India. These ideas are all central to my understanding of spiritual reality. I have also periodically been reexamining other traditions for whatever help they can provide me . I do plan to write about these types of issues as the spirit moves me. It is also possible that I may write on other subjects which I have simply never discussed before on this blog.

On the other hand, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the primary focus of my life must be to correct many of my worse habits and to live in preparation of the time in which I will need to leave this world. I think that Dea has been saying that these seemingly mundane but important issues really should trump any concerns I have with writing. That being the case my writing must take second place to these more immediate concerns. Thus I in factmay not be writing here all that much in the future. We will have to just see what happens.

Anyway that is all I have to say at this time. Hopefully I will be able to share a few more writings here in the not too distant future.

Glenn King

will I be writing here at all?

Prior to about two weeks ago I was writing regularly though I have not posted anything for over a month. About two weeks ago I became much more busy than usual in a lot of areas and basically stopped writing. And to a degree that has been fine because I really did not feel like writing much anyway. In one sense that has been good because it has relieved my mind from all my thoughts about the time I have spend within the Deanic religion over the last four years’ a time which I view as one of deep personal failure and disappointment.

This now is the situation. On one level I want to continue writing on this blog and if I do at least initially I will certainly write fairly negative critiques of the new directions in which the current Deanic / Filianic community is going. After all I finally decided to make a final break from the community due to its return to the Traditionalist Feminine Essentialism of the community’s Madrian founders. I owe myself those critiques.

On the other hand I find myself deeply exhausted my efforts to express my own viewpoints in my writings over the past years. Part of me just wants to have done with it. On one level I just want to take a very long break from writing – period. After all I have to say that my writings up until now have really effected reality not at all. They certainly have not won me any friends really the reverse, they certainly have not helped create any community in which I feel myself to be a part, they certainly do not seem able to significantly impact how anyone interprets the world. They simply are as if they never have been. So why should I write?

So this is where I am at. I do not know what I plan to do. I think that what I really want to do is take a long break from it all. I want to examine many of my own beliefs about both Goddess religion and the Christian traditions in which I am culturally a part even if I am not an active believer in Christ. I want to rethink things. I in fact want to spend much more time in prayer and meditation in order to connect more deeply with Thea. I doubt that I can do those things if I am writing in the same manner as I have for the last several years. This is what I think want to do, but then again I do not really know if that is what I will do.

Glenn King

I am no longer a De’anic.

I have just read the official policy statement regarding the change of direction of the Janite Clan by its leader Arch Madrian Chandra Sophia. The Janite Clan now embraces the full theological position of the Feminine Essentualist wing of the independent Deanic movement. Ironically the male leadership of the Feminine Essentualist circle of Race Mochridhe ironically achieved its theological victory at the cost of its own dis-empowerment. I can not describe how appalled I am with the new Janite submission to the old Madrian / Daughter ideology. I now “understand” that the Deanic scriptures no longer apply to such as myself and that people of my sex have only limited, lessor roles to play.

I have for quite some time been thinking that I am as a fish out of water within the De’anic movement and have thought greatly about disaffiliating myself from it. Well the time for this disaffiliation is now. I am no longer regard myself as a member of the Deanic faith! The only question for me at this time is whether the Scriptures and the religious intellectual culture of the faith has any future role to play in my life or do I ignore it and go in a completely different direction. The link to the recent Janite policy statement is

Glenn King

Femininity and Toxic Masculinity?

One of the problems I have in writing is that I am always tempted to write long and detailed explanations of my points of view. In doing this I often seek to re-enforce my positions with historical and theological analysis well beyond the toleration levels of most persons. The problem is that by succumbing to these temptations, my productively is greatly decreased, and furthermore I find that most persons simply are not that interested in either history or in my theological pondering. Thus within this post and hopefully in others I am going to attempt to keep my writings as short and sharp as possible and see what happens.

One of the preoccupations I have noticed within the broad Deanic community has been a preoccupation with the meaning of femininity. This is natural of course because Deanism has a matriarchal theology of God as Mother, Lady and Queen. But central aspects of the religion also center on the role of femininity in human lives as well. Again this is natural because most members of the religion are women and only a very few men have ever been involved.

Much of this interest in femininity lays in the traditional interest of many women in issues of fashion, dress and modesty and other aspects of the physical imagery of womanhood. These interests have of course been mainstream for women within most civilizations. However the interest in femininity also seems to be increasingly entering the area of Deanic theology particularly within the De’anic tumblrsphere. The “Femininity” which is discussed there seems to be not just the natural self assertion of persons who are female but it hearkens back to the theologies of the early Madrian community and to the Aristasian community which now refer to itself as the present day Daughters of Shining Harmony DoSH. These three consecutive communities have always seen femininity as being a central theological category tied intimately to the theological vision of Dea as God the Mother. These communities each holding a utopian, matriarchal, theocratic vision of a society dedicated to Dea have always assumed that normative human societies should be ruled by the Mothers, by Women. Men always within these communities were seen as having only a subordinate role within society under the authority of their wives and under the power of women generally. In fact the conception of society of the three communities has in general been the exact reverse of the Christian household codes supposedly derived from St Paul in which he exhorts wives, children and slaves to be submissive respectively to their husbands parents, and masters. But within the matriarchal community the roles are reversed with women and wives at the top of the hierarchies. It is also a reflection of Paul’s statement in first Corinthians that Man is made in the image of God while Woman is made in the image of Man. Again within the Madrian vision this hierarchy is turned upside down.

This hierarchical ordering of society is based on the following principles which have been restated and formulated in differing ways by each of the three communities. God = The Spirit = The Feminine = the Woman / Maid. On the other hand Man / the Masculine = matter and manifestation which has the proper role of submission to the Spirit. Not only is Masculinity as being derived from inferior matter / manifestation to be submissive to the Spirit, it is seen as being a decline from the Spirit. It is ontologically less. Thus Woman / Maid is as Spirit to Man / Matter. Man is as matter to Spirit. Thus he should be obedient and submissive to Woman / Spirit. This is official doctrine within the community of the Daughters of Shining harmony DoSH and is believed within Feminine Essentialist circles which in general accept DoSh doctrines as authoritative. BTY the Janite Clan on the other hand rejects doctrines of official male submission as it rejects many other of the doctrines of the three communities.

Now I have been an active member of the Independent Deanic tradition since 2012 and have been aware of Aristasian matriarchal thought from the beginning. But since the independent Deanic community in general has rejected many of these conceptions in general I have not been overly concerned by them. However recently several new persons have been entering the independent De’anic community and some seem to be drawn to the newly developing Feminine Essentialist tendency which in general accepts the theological positions of the old Madrians and the DoSh as authoritative. Thus I have recently been hearing about an idea called “toxic masculinity” which as it is formulated has negative consequences for men which wish to be fully a part of the movement without having a sense of shame in his own masculinity. As for myself I have had enough disappointments and failures in life without adding this one on as well.

The concept of “toxic masculinity” as I have heard it used is that when men do evil or simply misbehave in the world it is generally caused by their masculinity becoming unbalanced, gone bad, gone toxic. Thus warfare, all forms of male violence, anger fury, the abuse and oppression of others are examples of toxic masculinity. The reverse of this concept would seem to be a positive masculinity. Thus when men behave with patience, with humility, with bravery and protectiveness, behave as good fathers then logically they would be expressing a positive masculinity. However is not what I have heard. The one person who seems to have coined the term “toxic masculinity” has declared that when men behave positively they are in fact behaving femininely under the assumption that all forms of virtuous behavior are de facto feminine. According to another member of the Feminine Essentialist tendency masculinity itself should only be defined as such when it is toxic. Thus all of the types of behavior which the Christian prophet St. Paul described as being the fruit of the spirit: patience, long suffering, humility, truthfulness and love are in fact feminine virtues. Thus when males in fact behavior morally righteously they are in fact expressing their femininity and not the potential of their masculinity.

At this point I could of course go into all of the historical and theological background assumptions behind these positions. I ready do not want to bother about that in this post. I simply want to simply express my reaction to these kinds of thoughts. I have always rejected them and I have instead always embraced the egalitarian visions formulated effectively by the 18th Century European Enlightenment. It was as a teenager within the Protestant fundamentalist Church of Christ, that I first became aware of the patriarchal household codes of the New Testament which dictated that wives and slaves should respectively obey their husbands, and masters, as the Church should obey Christ. Those doctrines did not make sense to me and I rejected them as both repugnant and as unworthy of a loving God. Now I hear within certain Independent Deanic circles the same essential doctrines with of course the power relationships reversed. And I am supposed to believe this doctrine? I am an old man of 66 years of age now and I am supposed to now believe that my maleness is toxic and ultimately makes me a second class member of the Deanic community? I do not think so.

Now my articles in fact are seldom read. It is entirely possible that few of any of the parties involved in this discussion will in fact read this post. But some may and object that what they have been saying is in no way meant to enslave men. They may argue that men can be obedient contemplatives of Thea and that some men are in fact much more spiritually atoned then are many women in spite of their spiritually disadvantaged status of being born as men in this world. Well what can I say to this? I still reject the whole theology behind this worldview. Now I suspect that as a result of my modern worldview conditioned in many ways by socialist egalitarianism and modern ideals of scholarship a world view demonized as materialistic by early Madrians, I am not viewed as being a particularly spiritual person. Well so be it. I have my own problems with those who believe and talk about love, sweetness and such, but who proclaim that the proper role of the vast majority of humankind is to be bonded / enslaved by a so-called Aristocratic few who are considered to be their natural superiors. That is the ultimate consequence of anti-egalitarian thought.

P.S Within this post I have hardly said everything I have to say on this topic. But the post is too long as it is already. I will say more in latter posts.

Glenn King

Setting the Madrian Record Straight

The origin of the De’anic traditions to say the least is very controversial [not with most of the world which still generally know that we exist] but within the various groups found within the religious tradition itself. Some of these controversies include the nature of Madrian origins, the authorship of the De’anic scriptures, the nature of some of the legendary materials found within the The Coming Age (TCA) the magazine which was the official voice of Madrianism from 1975 to 1982, and the origins of the names of the Janya.

Certainly I am interested in these issues and have been studying them lately. Another writer who is clearly interested in them is ArchMadria Pamela Lanides who leads the Janite community of De’ani. She has recently posted a very good article that deals with many of these issues within her Di-Jana blog. The following is a reblog of her article.

Kore Di-Jana

13 Maia/April 30



O, Madria Theia, Jana of Illumination, Joy and Benevolence, be with us.

May the Pure Stream of Your Virtues flow within me, in this world and in all the worlds to come. Blessed are You.


Please note:

There is a new page under our Calendars menu which gives a brief explanation of our major feast days. Eastre has been restored to its original date and Adoria has been moved to the Filianic date.


Setting the Record Straight

By this title, I do not mean to sound presumptuous. It is merely an attempt to be forthright and honest about our origins.

As more and more people are beginning to show interest in our religion, it is very important that our Faith be represented as honestly, forthrightly and accurately as possible. This means that we must discard certain misleading claims that may have been made…

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